[2018-07-08 20:00] <Pretorian> Welcome to DCNF monthly meeting, it is 2018-07-08.
[2018-07-08 20:00] <Pretorian> For simplicity sake, I will be the chairman and Crise has agreed to act as secretary.
[2018-07-08 20:00] <Pretorian> What we do need is a head count, so just state your names.
[2018-07-08 20:00] <Pretorian> Pretorian
[2018-07-08 20:01] <cologic> cologic
[2018-07-08 20:01] <Pretorian> Crise should be here, too, lurking, he'll chime in later
[2018-07-08 20:02] <Pretorian> There's a few items from the last meeting;
[2018-07-08 20:02] <Pretorian> 1) Continue update DCNF web pages for affiliated projects (Pretorian, Crise)
2) Setting up new affiliate project for information on DC projects / Publishing of RSS feeds in various places (Twitter, website etc) (done after Pretorian is done with item 1) (Crise, cologic, Pretorian) 
3) Set up kallithea for code repository backup (poy)
4) Set up Docker for software development (poy)
5) Set up Docker for website management (Crise)
6) Invite/encourage other projects to join DCNF! (all)
[2018-07-08 20:02] <Pretorian> Item 1) No progress since last meeting, I've been really busy
[2018-07-08 20:02] <Pretorian> Same as item 2
[2018-07-08 20:02] <Pretorian> Unless you guys have anything to add to these?
[2018-07-08 20:03] <Pretorian> Have you been working on them?
[2018-07-08 20:03] <cologic> I don't, no.
[2018-07-08 20:03] <Pretorian> 1) Was basically the work done on <https://adc.dcbase.org/Extensions>, most of it complete, just formatting that was left
[2018-07-08 20:04] <Pretorian> I will have time in the coming weeks, and I really do want to make it properly set up.
[2018-07-08 20:04] <Pretorian> Maybe someone should set up a cron job to email me "is it done yet?" ;)
[2018-07-08 20:05] <Pretorian> All right, let's move on
[2018-07-08 20:05] <Pretorian> 3) Kallithea
[2018-07-08 20:05] <Pretorian> poy's not here to answer, I doubt he has done anything
[2018-07-08 20:05] <Pretorian> Same as 4) I guess
[2018-07-08 20:05] <Pretorian> 5) Docker for website. Crise, do you have anything here?
[2018-07-08 20:06] <Crise> No
[2018-07-08 20:06] <Pretorian> All right.
[2018-07-08 20:06] <Crise> except that I regret doing the website in PHP
[2018-07-08 20:06] <Pretorian> Oh?
[2018-07-08 20:06] <Pretorian> Should've been JS?
[2018-07-08 20:06] <Crise> it doesn't lend itself well to docker
[2018-07-08 20:07] <Crise> also, for some reason I was an hour off schedule, sorry about that :)
[2018-07-08 20:07] <Pretorian> Oh, I guess CET is one hour off :), should be CEST
[2018-07-08 20:08] <provolo> hello to all these beautiful guys
[2018-07-08 20:08] <Pretorian> Let's move on, I guess
[2018-07-08 20:09] <Pretorian> 6) Encouragement, well, that's just a generic item, not sure if we can have an 'action' for it
[2018-07-08 20:09] <Pretorian> Let's move on
[2018-07-08 20:09] <Pretorian> Does anyone have any additional items?
[2018-07-08 20:09] <Pretorian> Pretorian-1) Taxation stuff
[2018-07-08 20:09] <Pretorian> Pretorian-2) Changing bylaws
[2018-07-08 20:10] <Crise> Crise-1) would google apps for non-profits be useful for us?
[2018-07-08 20:10] <cologic> I don't have any additional items.
[2018-07-08 20:10] <Pretorian> Let's start with my stuff as I said them first
[2018-07-08 20:10] <Pretorian> Pretorian-1) Taxation stuff
[2018-07-08 20:10] <Pretorian> So basically I had to submit the taxation for the calendar year 2017 (2017-01-01 - 2017-12-31)
[2018-07-08 20:11] <Pretorian> Nothing strange or out of the ordinary, just mailed them in.
[2018-07-08 20:11] <provolo> can I write something too?
[2018-07-08 20:11] <Pretorian> Just that I'd have it on record that I have submitted it
[2018-07-08 20:11] <Pretorian> If it's related to your hublist, no.
[2018-07-08 20:12] <provolo> no
[2018-07-08 20:12] <Pretorian> Then state it and we'll process it accordingly
[2018-07-08 20:12] <provolo> I need a new client with another name
[2018-07-08 20:12] <Pretorian> yeah, that is not related to our meeting.
[2018-07-08 20:12] <Pretorian> Say it afterwards
[2018-07-08 20:13] <Pretorian> Once I move I will see if I can find the returned papers from our taxation services, so we can have them uploaded to the website
[2018-07-08 20:13] <Pretorian> (for past years)
[2018-07-08 20:13] <Pretorian> They're in a huge pile right now.
[2018-07-08 20:13] <provolo> I need 1 new client, can you help me?
[2018-07-08 20:13] <Pretorian> But basically I just fill in member fees and donations
[2018-07-08 20:13] <Pretorian> Let's move on
[2018-07-08 20:14] <Pretorian> Pretorian-2) changing bylaws
[2018-07-08 20:14] <Pretorian> So I'm moving to a different municipality
[2018-07-08 20:14] <Pretorian> Basically in Sweden you register an organisation in a specific municipality, and your bylaws must state that municipality
[2018-07-08 20:14] <Pretorian> It is currently set to Sollentuna, where I live
[2018-07-08 20:14] <Pretorian> But I'm moving in a few months
[2018-07-08 20:15] <Pretorian> So we need to basically change the bylaws
[2018-07-08 20:15] <Crise> Ok, this is a first... normally that would happen in the annual meeting... but for this, what will the process be?
[2018-07-08 20:15] <Pretorian> It will be fine if we change it on the annual meeting and then have an extra annual meeting (either before or after the normal one).
[2018-07-08 20:15] <cologic> Will it be the same organization, otherwise?
[2018-07-08 20:16] <Pretorian> It will be the same organisation, number wise etc
[2018-07-08 20:16] <Pretorian> You need to have it registered in a municipality due to different taxes when purchasing goods etc
[2018-07-08 20:17] <Pretorian> "Registered" here means basically that the taxation services just are aware that there is an organisation in that municipality
[2018-07-08 20:17] <Pretorian> Basically no other organization or company may take that name in that municipality
[2018-07-08 20:18] <Pretorian> Technically if there is an already created organization/company, then we need to actually "change" the name of the organisation in the bylaws, but I doubt that.
[2018-07-08 20:18] <Pretorian> We will always keep the organization number though
[2018-07-08 20:19] <Pretorian> I will make the proper arrangements when this is due, but thought I'd bring it up now
[2018-07-08 20:19] <cologic> Yes, it's definitely good to be broadly aware of this.
[2018-07-08 20:20] <Pretorian> We are currently changing the bylaws in my tenant organization, the process is basically the same -- we also actually changed the location and nothing basically happens.
[2018-07-08 20:20] <Pretorian> So it's mostly a technicality, but I want it to be accurate
[2018-07-08 20:20] <cologic> Did the name have to change as well?
[2018-07-08 20:20] <Pretorian> All government mail will come to a non-Sollentuna address which will otherwise look weird.
[2018-07-08 20:20] <Pretorian> Nope
[2018-07-08 20:21] <provolo> I need a new istallabile multilanguagel client, named SkyLinkDc++, with my hublist      TAG    SkyLinkDc++    Crise cologic poy Pretorian Por favor Help me
[2018-07-08 20:21] <provolo> grasias
[2018-07-08 20:22] <Pretorian> Any other concerns/comments regarding it?
[2018-07-08 20:22] <Crise> No, seems quite straightforward
[2018-07-08 20:22] <cologic> None from me, no.
[2018-07-08 20:22] <Crise> assuming there is no name conflict :)
[2018-07-08 20:22] <provolo> or help me ?
[2018-07-08 20:23] <Pretorian> It's called 'säte' by the way, 'location' basically <http://bolagsverket.se/fo/foreningsformer/ekonomisk/driva/sate-1.1750>
[2018-07-08 20:23] <Pretorian> So it's a straight forward thing, I forsee no issue.
[2018-07-08 20:24] <Pretorian> Let's move on.
[2018-07-08 20:24] <Pretorian>  Crise-1) would google apps for non-profits be useful for us?
[2018-07-08 20:24] <Pretorian> I think that has been raised previously?
[2018-07-08 20:24] <Pretorian> Or maybe that was some other Google venture?
[2018-07-08 20:25] <Crise> Yeah, basically I was working with GApps scripting on another project and came across it... we qualify for being tax exempt... would the GApps stuff be useful for us?
[2018-07-08 20:25] <Pretorian> What would it give us?
[2018-07-08 20:25] <Crise> what we talked about previously was Google Summer of Code if memory serves
[2018-07-08 20:25] <Pretorian> Ah.
[2018-07-08 20:25] <Crise> basically free GApps basic
[2018-07-08 20:26] <Pretorian> Not sure we need any of them? But sure, I guess
[2018-07-08 20:26] <Crise> it is also tied to TechSoup, so that has some other fringe benefits
[2018-07-08 20:27] <Pretorian> So we have registered <directconnectnetworkfoundation@gmail.com> that you can use.
[2018-07-08 20:27] <provolo> I should go out, give me an answer?
[2018-07-08 20:27] <Crise> If we don't need it it's probably not worth the hoops required for it... the only thing of interest might be hooking the dcbase.org mail to 
[2018-07-08 20:27] <Kcchouette> why a gmail adress? and not your own domain name email adress?
[2018-07-08 20:27] <Crise> gmail mile proper
[2018-07-08 20:28] <Crise> *mail
[2018-07-08 20:28] <Crise> being able to use the MX records directly with gmail servers
[2018-07-08 20:28] <Pretorian> Kcchouette: I think we had to apply to a Google project, and you were required to have a Gmail account.
[2018-07-08 20:28] <Pretorian> but yeah, if we can use dcnf@dcbase.org then that'd be the best
[2018-07-08 20:29] <Kcchouette> and what is your google project?
[2018-07-08 20:29] <Pretorian> It was Project Shield <https://projectshield.withgoogle.com/public/>
[2018-07-08 20:30] <Pretorian> Potential DDoS protection
[2018-07-08 20:30] <Kcchouette> why don't host the website on mutual hosting?
[2018-07-08 20:30] <Crise> This is something I came across back in May, I can look more into it for the next meeting... unfortunately I switched computers recently so I lost all the links I had collected
[2018-07-08 20:30] <Kcchouette> cheaper and already this kind of protection
[2018-07-08 20:30] <Pretorian> Crise: I have no issue with applying for it, feel free to apply.
[2018-07-08 20:31] <Pretorian> I don't remember the password for the Google account but can see if I can find it should you need it.
[2018-07-08 20:31] <Crise> https://www.techsoup.org/google-for-nonprofits
[2018-07-08 20:31] <Pretorian> If you think there's an advantage/benefit, I don't see a problem signing up.
[2018-07-08 20:33] <Pretorian> "Organisationen måste vara registrerad hos TechSoup Sverige, TechSoup Globals regionala filial." -- The organization must be registered with TechSoup Sweden"... Not sure what that is, to be honest.
[2018-07-08 20:33] <Crise> yeah, that is the hoop I mentioned
[2018-07-08 20:34] <Pretorian> I must say, that is a company I've never heard of
[2018-07-08 20:34] <Crise> they offer discounted software for orgnaizations
[2018-07-08 20:34] <Pretorian> But feel free to sign up/register
[2018-07-08 20:34] <Crise> I will look into the detailed process
[2018-07-08 20:34] <Pretorian> Great.
[2018-07-08 20:35] <Pretorian> Any other items people want to bring up?
[2018-07-08 20:35] <Crise> https://www.techsoup.se/googlefaq (for record)
[2018-07-08 20:35] <Kcchouette> please be careful on google
[2018-07-08 20:36] <Pretorian> Kcchouette: Anything in particular you're warning against?
[2018-07-08 20:36] <Crise> yes, I am curious too
[2018-07-08 20:37] <Kcchouette> gafam and the ad-spying on user
[2018-07-08 20:37] <Crise> I mean if it is just because google is google... then
[2018-07-08 20:37] <Pretorian> I use Chrome and have Gmail, I've screwed anyway. :P
[2018-07-08 20:37] <Crise> using VPN and a competent antivirus can stop that
[2018-07-08 20:37] <Pretorian> I'm^*
[2018-07-08 20:38] <Crise> same, I don't use Chrome, but gmail yes
[2018-07-08 20:38] <Kcchouette> ok, but think about user like me
[2018-07-08 20:38] <Kcchouette> if you think there is 0 problem, so go on :)
[2018-07-08 20:38] <Crise> it wouldn't affect regular users
[2018-07-08 20:38] <Kcchouette> nice
[2018-07-08 20:39] <Crise> just how the organization email is handled pretty much
[2018-07-08 20:39] <Crise> it already gets forwarded to our personal accounts
[2018-07-08 20:39] <Kcchouette> :/
[2018-07-08 20:39] <Crise> so this would actually allow having dedicated mailboxes
[2018-07-08 20:40] <Pretorian> ok. I think we can move on
[2018-07-08 20:40] <Pretorian> If there isn't any more items, I think we can conclude the meeting.
[2018-07-08 20:40] <Crise> agreed
[2018-07-08 20:40] <Pretorian> 1) Continue update DCNF web pages for affiliated projects (Pretorian, Crise)
2) Setting up new affiliate project for information on DC projects / Publishing of RSS feeds in various places (Twitter, website etc) (done after Pretorian is done with item 1) (Crise, cologic, Pretorian) 
3) Set up kallithea for code repository backup (poy)
4) Set up Docker for software development (poy)
5) Set up Docker for website management (Crise)
6) Invite/encourage other projects to join DCNF! (all)
7) Review registration for TechSoup/Google's non-profit programs (Crise)
[2018-07-08 20:40] <Pretorian> Next meeting items ^